Sex Ed Debunked

Sex Ed Debunked: Breaking Norms and Taking Sabbatical

• Trailblaze Media • Season 3 • Episode 14

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As we hit the pause button on Sex Ed Debunked, a wave of nostalgia washes over us—Shannon's about to tie the knot, and Christine is diving headfirst into academia. It's been an epic journey of myth-shattering and sexual empowerment, from an AASECT award to a whopping 20,000 downloads, and we couldn't be more grateful. Celebrate with us one last time before our sabbatical as we crush the myth of "normal" sexuality and champion the spectrum of positive sexual experiences. It's not a farewell, but a promise to return with even more eye-opening conversations.

Throughout our series, we've ignited discussions on everything from sexual response to polyamory, sparking shifts in societal norms and challenging stereotypes. Dorothy Colvon and Dr. Cailey graced us with their insights, reminding us of the power in conversations that push boundaries and redefine expectations. We've become a springboard for dialogue that doesn't shy away from any topic—because when it comes to sexuality, every voice matters. As we step back to celebrate personal milestones, carry forward the spirit of our discussions and keep the dialogue alive in your own circles.

We owe a universe of thanks to our extraordinary volunteers—Meghan, Bella, Shaina, and Ezra—whose contributions have been critical to our success. Their dedication and the enlightening energy of our guests have allowed us to foster an inclusive approach to sex education that honors the evolving nature of sexuality and gender identities. So, while we take a break to recharge and focus on personal endeavors, remember that the journey of discovery and growth continues. Keep exploring, challenging norms, and breaking down barriers. We'll be back before you know it, ready to debunk more myths and share more wisdom. Keep the spirit of 'Sex Ed Debunked' thriving!

Follow us on social @sexeddebunked or send us a message at sexeddebunked@gmail.com

Speaker 1:

Hi, this is Sex. Ed Debunked a cross-generational podcast hosted by mother daughter duo, christine and Shannon Curley.

Speaker 2:

Every episode we tackle a new myth about sex, sexuality and pleasure, and use research and expert insights to debunk stereotypes and misinformation from the bedroom and beyond. In 2022,. We won the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists Award for Best Podcast and also managed to not totally freak out our family and friends along the way.

Speaker 1:

We believe in healthy sex-positive, pleasure-focused sex education backed by real research and real experience.

Speaker 2:

Follow us on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter at Sex Ed Debunked or email us at SexEdDeBunked at gmailcom to share your sex miseducation tales and the myths you'd like to hear us debunk.

Speaker 1:

Thanks for listening.

Speaker 3:

Hi, this is Sex Ed Debunked a cross-generational podcast about sex education, sexual health and how we're pretty sure Netflix stole our idea about this podcast for the final season of sex education. What Pretty sure I mean no shade, it's fine Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but also, if that's the case, then I'm extremely flattered by the last season of sex education.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's awesome. Well, I have been saving that whole season for when I have time, aka like now, because normally I use Netflix to go to sleep at night and I don't want to fall asleep over one of the best shows ever produced on television that gives good education about sex education. So thanks for the heads up, shannon.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, just don't be surprised if you think, hmm, haven't I seen this podcast? Have you seen this somewhere? Because you have, and it's this podcast.

Speaker 1:

Go on. Maybe somebody's been listening and we don't even know.

Speaker 3:

No, I think we might be flattering ourselves here, but it is interesting how similar it is. But on this week's episode, actually, after nearly two and a half years of Sex Ed Debunked, which is insane two and a half years, I mean time has disappeared anyway in the last few years. None of us know what time it is anyway, but two and a half years in of Sex Ed Debunked and over 20,000 downloads which is crazy.

Speaker 3:

Thank you to our listeners. We have decided to take a sabbatical from Sex Ed Debunked for a variety of reasons, but we know we haven't been posting as regularly as usual and it's because we've been talking a lot amongst each other and we've been talking with the Trailblaze team and we think that taking a break to focus on some of our other priorities right now is the best thing for this show and in the meantime we're hoping that folks will continue to tune in and continue to learn from the podcast while we focus on those things.

Speaker 1:

And we just want to stress that the things we're taking a sabbatical for are good, excellent, wonderful things. So, yes, don't take a pause, and Shan has one amazing thing that we'll be planning for.

Speaker 3:

Yes, I'm going to be spending the next six months planning for a wedding.

Speaker 1:

She said yes. She said yes. She said yes, yes.

Speaker 3:

So over two and a half years of Sex Ed Debunked, with you guys hearing some of my personal stories and woe and covering some episodes like coming out and navigating sexuality and navigating your identity and I can be getting heartbreak and communication styles and all these things. I am now happily engaged to the love of my life, so I will be spending some time focusing on that.

Speaker 1:

And we love Amanda too.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, she's the best. But also, christine, on your side of things, is also going to be focusing, now that you have successfully defended your PhD and been teaching at Wesleyan University, just continuing to get engrossed in that education path and that academic path and focusing on that. But what we do want to, of course, emphasize is that we're calling this a sabbatical for a reason. We hope that we will be coming back, and when we do so, we will do that with a whole new list of myths and a whole new list of topics to cover, because we know there's always going to be more to debunk, and we've loved every minute of this show.

Speaker 1:

Always more to debunk and also we want to be able to come back and be able to do even more for you and our listeners. We want to think about a YouTube channel and TikToks and things like that that we can reach even more people debunking these myths that are really, really important to debunk. But it goes without saying, we've absolutely loved every minute of producing this podcast for our listeners and are astonished every day about the people that we've met and the people who've said oh, I recognize your voice, I think I listened to your podcast. How amazing is that?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's been a fun little journey of becoming weird little mini celebrities, mostly in Rhode Island. But beyond two, we've had some funny run-ins where people know who we are and it's hard to imagine that two and a half years ago we were sitting on a beach musing about oh, this might be something we could maybe do. We'll see how it goes. And two and a half years later we have almost 100 episodes and 28,000 plus downloads, which is just incredible. And we do. We want to continue to deliver value to our audience and continue to have those conversations. So this is not a goodbye, it's just a see you later, until we are set up to continue having more of those discussions. But before we go, we would never leave you without one last myth before we take this probably six monthish break, but we'll keep you posted on social media.

Speaker 1:

But we do have one last myth that we wanted to debunk, and that is the myth that there is any normal way to experience big air quotes as we do normal way to experience sex and sexuality which is arguably the umbrella myth of all the myths that we've talked about, and because if there's any impact that we want this show to have, is to hope that it's opening your eyes to the possibilities of sexuality and positive sexuality and how it can be such a healthy component of your life. So, with that.

Speaker 3:

come on, dr Curley, let's jump into some research. I felt good. I like the sound of that it's about time, right.

Speaker 1:

But in fairness, I think part of what we're going to do today is revisit and kind of reframe all of the research that we've talked about in the last two and a half years. I was reflecting on this the other day and I went to a conference the end of November the sexuality conference and a researcher, a fellow researcher, brought to my attention this book called Not Always in the Mood, and it talked about the social norms around men and masculinity. Then I have like, as I said, I have amazing students at Wesleyan. The papers they wrote were debunking social norms, social myths. But what, to bring it back to? The most basic thing is our job, our task on this podcast and our task in our lives is to break down the social norms and allow ourselves to expand into something much greater. And what I was thinking about, shannon, was you know, this journey isn't that different from the word self-care. Now, your generation is pretty familiar with that right Right.

Speaker 3:

And we even had a myth that we debunked about self-care always being a good thing and when self-care can sometimes lead to self-sabotage.

Speaker 1:

But my generation. That wasn't anything that we talked about. We talked about working ourselves to the bone, especially as women. We were talking about all the roles we had, and self-care was a generational process of learning and now it's part of our cultural vernacular right. Taking time out for yourself, taking time for your wellness, taking space Productivity is the only thing that doesn't matter, that matters. All of these things are now something most of us understand.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and you know, when we go back and we talk about, you know, the idea of self-care and wellness, you know that's kind of where your research interest started was the idea that wellness doesn't exclude sexual wellness and sexual well-being, and so that is the kind of perfect umbrella topic to come back to two and a half years later.

Speaker 1:

Well, and I think what I want to, the last kind of words before we go on the sabbatical that I want to talk to you with everyone is the idea is we have accepted self-care. Now it's time for us to embrace the concept of sexual self-care, that thinking about our sexuality and really learning about it, embracing it, accepting it, is just as valid as the self-care revolution. We should be having a sexual self-care revolution, but what was required for that is understanding that we are not held to the social norms that we've been raised with.

Speaker 3:

Exactly, and that's where this myth for today comes from the idea that there is no quote, unquote, normal version of sexual sexuality. And again, we've had so many episodes with so many amazing guests. But even most recently we had the guests Jeremiah and Julia on from Sex Vangelicals talking about having to break and how difficult it was to break out of the norms that they were raised with within the church and of course the church can be a more extreme example of the norms are laid out right there in front of you. But even to your point, mom, the way you're raised and what you are raised to think is right within your family, within your friends. There is always opportunity in room to revisit that, but you have to allow yourself permission to revisit if it's not serving your wellness.

Speaker 1:

You're exactly right, and what I wanted to highlight is a couple of social norms that maybe we didn't really discuss that much, and I found it really interesting because a lot of these were raised by my students, which is telling me that these are still norms, right, because these are college students who still understand that they are living in this cultural quagmire and in order to get out of it, we have to talk about it more. So we've talked on this podcast about the idea of gender diversity. There's not a normal gender, right, there's a diversity in a spectrum. There's orientation being on a spectrum, nothing normal. How about the idea how society treats masculine norms around virginity? And think about, for women, it's a gift, right, you hold onto it. You have a taken from you, you lose it. For men, being a virgin is laughed at. Think about every media movie and Shannon, I know you know all our media references because you're the media person Every movie that portrays male virginity Well, who are they? Who are those men?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, there was the nerds, the nerds, the dorks, the.

Speaker 1:

I'm just trying to get laid before I go to college crowd or the 40-year-old virgin, and so there's a norm. We haven't talked about that. I want to say to all of our listeners, like there's no normal time to have your first sexual experience, there's no normal time to have your first girlfriend, there's no or boyfriend or partner. That sexuality is something like every other aspect of our sexual identity that we should be free to explore in our own place.

Speaker 3:

There's no normal and there's no fixed. You can continue to explore and you should continue to explore, because exploration is part of growth. And it's interesting when we talk about self-care, because we do, of course, talk about generational differences a lot on this podcast and, on the one hand, mom, your generation never talked about self-care. On the other hand, my generation maybe talks too much about it, or talks too much about self-care in isolation from other types of care, and we've talked a few times about studies and research that have said that the younger generations aren't dating as much. They're having sex later, and there's so many things about that where we've talked about okay, but connection is still important. And if your version of self-care is that you're shutting down because you don't want to run the risk of being hurt or whatever, you're kind of shooting yourself on the foot there too, and so what we want to encourage people to do is tread lightly, but still tread.

Speaker 1:

Well, and also, let's start talking everybody. Hopefully, I know from talking to my friends and colleagues and people who have listened to the podcast that what we've done in this podcast is start conversations and, even though we're going on sabbatical, keep having those conversations, keep talking about things and pushing those edges and pushing those boundaries. You know the social norm of the sexual response.

Speaker 3:

You know we're talking about this myth of normalcy, but you're absolutely right that the conversations are part of what necessarily blurs the lines of what normal is, what necessarily expands the definition of quote unquote normal. And I think if I had to pick one thing that I'm most proud about with this podcast, it's the conversations I've had with people outside of the podcast about things that they've learned or takeaways they have. Like, yesterday I was with someone, I was with a colleague of mine, who's, you know, I report to them, and on his way home from us meeting to grab a drink, he listened to the episode about attachment styles and when he got home he texted me and he said, wow, that was fascinating, I learned so much. I never thought about that before.

Speaker 3:

And you know, I remember, you know, maybe six months ago we had the episode about asexuality, which is a topic that isn't discussed very often, and I remember a friend of mine reaching out and saying I think that might be me, and it's like huh, you know, and it's just giving those voices and, to your point, we might not be putting out new episodes every single week, but we have enough material out there that you have the ability to have those conversations and I know, mom, you've had experiences too with you know saying to people here listen to this episode, it might help you. And here we did these four episodes about X, y and Z, about gender, about polyamory, about what to do when your kid comes out, whatever it is. You know, we are so proud, and I'm so proud, to have become a resource that people can turn to, to have those conversations and to expand the boundaries of what quote, unquote, normal might mean Exactly.

Speaker 1:

And you know, shannon, I'm really proud that we've done this together because I think one of the things that I hear from you know people of more of my generation or between our generations is, wow, you do this with your daughter, you know, and I'm pretty quick to say, well, I wasn't quite this open when you were a teenager, but I'm still really grateful and I think that doing this together has opened a lot of parents' eyes and older folks' eyes to the possibilities that they can have these discussions with their preteens, their teens, their college-age students, and it has also. I've also had students say I want my mom to listen to this podcast. I believe my mom the podcast, and that sparks discussion and fundamentally, the only way that social norms are going to be pushed into something that's broader and more expansive is if we keep talking. Absolutely All of us, even in little circles, little book clubs, little Facebook groups, to just talk and be able to express questions and ask questions.

Speaker 1:

I saw a recent post about and this is one that I admit that I know we had wanted to debunk it and we haven't done it, which we'll probably do if we come back from sabbatical is the idea of discovering your sexual identity at an older age, and I've talked to people who I met at conferences who were like, yeah, like I'm 45 and I just realized that I'm really attracted to women and I was married for 20 years, and those types of discussions, I think, are only going to benefit all of our society as a whole right.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely, and it's funny I've played sort of armchair therapist. Sometimes it feels like with books that I've had these conversations with, but it's like I hope that listening to us and the way that our relationship helps other people realize that the people that are close to you in your life are going to be open and want to have those conversations, because I've had conversations with people about everything from their own sexual identity to their relationship with their wife that they've been married to for 40 years. I can talk to people because we you and I, mom have made it known that we're comfortable with having these conversations. I would encourage our listeners to also make it known that they're comfortable with having those conversations, because that's what makes people feel like they're safe to open up. It's a two-way street.

Speaker 1:

That's really important point, shannon, even if it's just pointing a friend to the podcast, a podcast episode, and then meeting them for coffee and talking about it and having a discussion, these discussions. I think what we have shown through our discussions together is and not everyone gets to see what happens behind the scenes before we record.

Speaker 3:

We talk a lot more than what makes the episode.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes the conversations are challenging as we formulate scripts and we formulate episodes, but in the end it's so worth it. It's not really as scary as, once again, society and the culture has made it sound. This whole the talk, this that no, always talk, always have conversation. I remember when it was almost two years ago now, when we had Dorothy Colvon and she talked about talking to our four boys. She was brave and vulnerable and gave them the information they needed. Ps, she's going to be grandma.

Speaker 1:

Woo-hoo, she's going to keep having to educate, yes, but she has found out, at least provisionally, that the biological sex use looks like a girl.

Speaker 3:

There you go, anyhow keep talking, keep having the conversations. You know what we are going to go on sabbatical. We won't be producing new episodes, but we'll still be here. We'll still have an Instagram. It will. It will be available at sexeddebonkgmailcom. If anything comes up. We will continue to be a resource and we're happy to do so. If you see us on the street, say hi and we might just get into a real long conversation.

Speaker 1:

Or if you see it, at queer beers at Moniker.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'll be there too. Don't be there. Before we wrap up, I wanted to point out some of our most popular episodes because they think it's interesting to see the way that our viewers, our audience, has listened to our episodes. First of all, our number one most downloaded episode, which makes sense, is our first episode, which is the myth that sexed in the US is comprehensive. We know it's not. We debunked that myth. It's still a myth but it's encouraging that so many people even if we get a drop-off after that episode when they never came back to the podcast ever again starting the conversation about what comprehensive sexed means really important.

Speaker 3:

The other most popular episodes, which I find very amusing and makes me wonder what the demographic of our audiences is, was the porn sex is real sex episode with Nikki Davis Fanbloom. That was when we talked about the representation and misrepresentation of sex in the pornography and the adult entertainment industry. We talked about how there's a lot more cleanup that goes on behind the scenes than what makes it. I remember Plucking in the beginning. I remember Nikki talking about being on set and watching someone slip off the couch and that didn't make the final cut. That was a really amusing episode that I enjoyed quite a bit, and hearing her perspective as both a sex educator but also as a sex journalist was really fascinating.

Speaker 3:

The next one that was most listened to was the masturbation is easy myth. I think it was good for us to start expanding our to our audience a little bit more, so people that might not necessarily be in active sexual relationships. Of course, you can masturbate in any relationship. It was interesting that we talked a lot more about our male identifying audience in that episode as well. That was with Dr Kaley in DEC, who is a local roadie doctor. We definitely appreciate Kaley there. That was a great episode. Talking about masturbation is hard pun intended. Sometimes you need it and sometimes it doesn't matter how sexually fulfilled you are. That's still a natural biological part of functioning as a sexual being.

Speaker 1:

That was fascinating to me that that was one of the most popular episodes.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, pretty funny. Then this one which doesn't surprise me because I think it is one of the ones that we've recommended the most is coming out is a one time deal, the myth that you come out and it's one and done. I myself have directed a lot of people to that episode, especially parents or people that I know who have children, who are exploring their sexual identity, but also, to your earlier point, friends of mine who are saying I don't really know how to have this conversation with my parents and then said, well, maybe send them this episode just to understand that it's difficult. We talked a lot in that episode about the fact that the reason why it's not a one and done deal is because in most cases, you are not broadcasting to every single person that you know hello, by the way, I'm queer. It's often that you come out to your friends, you come out to your family.

Speaker 3:

When you start any job, you have to come out to coworkers, and then you start another job, you have to come out to them again. So it's this process and we've talked so much on this show about anticipated stigma and minority stigma and just the fear. I'm glad that that was one of our most listened episodes because it is really important, whether you're talking about sexual identity, gender identity, whatever it is to remember that the best way you can honor someone's identity is to honor it when they're not in the room. So, whether that's understanding that it's not their friend, it's their girlfriend, or understanding that their pronouns or their pronouns or their name is their name, the best thing you can do to be an ally and be supportive of someone who has a marginalized identity sexual identity, gender identity is to honor them even when you're not there or they're not there Exactly, and you know all of these episodes.

Speaker 3:

That and the last episode you had listed as a popular episode is sex is in a skill which, yes, the myth that sex is not a skill, which we, I think, have also dedicated a good portion of this podcast to debunking.

Speaker 1:

But I, but I, but I love that because it recognizes that sexuality is something that we learn. It's like it's like anything else we we learn how to read, we learn how to write, we learn how to do a relationship right, oh, I just made a poll. God, that was beautiful, but it's true. And and I think that we as a culture have an expectation that you're automatically supposed to know what to do and what you know what to do you can do with every partner, and it's going to come to the same end, and I really think that the fact that our listeners like, really enjoyed that episode says a lot about where we're going in terms of accepting sexuality as part of our identity and not just part of something that that's baby puts in a corner, Like you know, dirty dancing yeah.

Speaker 1:

No, no, don't put your sexuality in a corner. Make it part of you know who you are, part of your whole lived experience and understanding you know. Reading, going back, listening, going back and listening to these bits kind of brings it all home that at the end of the day, our sexuality is part of our wellness. And as we break down social norms and we talk more about sexuality, hopefully that stress of minorities and the rest of us over sexuality will lessen, because it'll just be more normalized, like self care has been normalized over the last you know couple of decades, because, trust me, shannon, was not something your grandma talked about. Self care was not something that was mentioned in the hope.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, Well, we're a different generation, Thank goodness, but if it's any, you know. I think one thing that it's good to kind of end on here is we've had over 20,000 downloads, as we said, and that means that we have engaged over 20,000 times with people who want to learn more and want to understand more and who want to be having these conversations, or at least overhearing these conversations, in preparation for conversations of their own, and I think that, to me, is extremely encouraging about the direction we're going in and, I hope, for our listeners, it's encouraging for you to know that it's not just you who wants to know more and it's not just you who's interested in these conversations. There is a big community of people that are actively choosing to learn more and to expand their thinking about sex and sexuality.

Speaker 1:

I am similarly hopeful, shannon, and as I talk to young people and I even talk to my cohort I feel encouraged as well, and I think that the more we talk about our sexuality, the healthier we'll all be.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely so. Before we sign off, we of course have to thank everyone who has helped us to get sex ed debunked to where it is over the last two and a half years. First and foremost, chris and Trollblaze Media. We appreciate all of the support in the last two and a half years. This idea started as a huh I wonder if we could do a podcast and has come this far. So thank you for the ongoing support for the last two and a half years.

Speaker 3:

Yeah amazing journey. So happy to have produced this locally with a local marketing agency and with folks who really believed in our vision. So huge thanks to Chris.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think just to underline that you know, the belief you all had enough is really what kept us going to when we got really busy the belief and the and knowing that the product that we were putting out was so good. I also want to mention Liz at Trailblaze, who helped with the design.

Speaker 3:

Yes, our beautiful logos that we've redesigned multiple times. Thank you for that.

Speaker 1:

They pop and I know that when I have, you know, new students and new friends, listen, they're like oh, is that like flowers? Or saved by the bell? Yes, that's what we were going to Exactly.

Speaker 3:

Yes, took our ticket to reality.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and I want to do. I like a short shout out to the people along the way who stepped in and volunteered to help us with social media Right now. You know Megan has been doing a bang up job, despite the fact that they've been doing amazing work.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, Megan.

Speaker 1:

But before that, Bella, one of my interns, and Shayna, of course who?

Speaker 3:

yes, shayna, who was the Jane of all trades behind the scenes to at Trailblaze, helping on the social side, helping on the production side, sound engineering. She kind of did it all behind the scenes. So big, big shout out and appreciation to Shayna Wine-Trailob also.

Speaker 1:

And, of course, the main man.

Speaker 3:

The myth, the legend, ezra. There's not anything we could really say to encompass the amount of appreciation and gratitude we have for the love you've put into this podcast and we only hope that you know we'll be back after the sabbatical and we can all work on it again together, because Ezra's passion and vision and dedication to making this an incredible product is a huge, huge reason why we were able to reach the people. We did, and you know, send the messages we have and created the conversations we have.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, most, most definitely. I cannot tell you how many times Shannon people who I have said, oh, listen to the podcast, reach back to me and go wow, that was so professional, like I think they expected. It was like, oh, I'm hanging out talking to my daughter about sex right In cans and a YouTube channel, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Consistently and honestly. That's part of the reason we won the award from the American Association of Sexuality Educators, counselors and Therapists, because it was so professional. And I want to add my part of you know, ezra, you're just one of the best humans I've ever met and I am just, I feel, so blessed to know you and to have felt your energy and your positivity, and to see your face when we were recording in studio. Just nodding and smiling was some of the most wonderful episodes that we recorded.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely, and to all of our guests, because that same energy and that same excitement to have these conversations. You know, over and over again we had these interviews with folks and we would bring them in as experts. But along the way we would all learn from each other and it is so incredibly rewarding to see everyone who's involved light up as they realize that the conversations are continuing to expand and that we can all benefit and we can all learn from each other. And if that's, if there's anything that could encompass just the utter appreciation for everyone who's been a part of this show, it's the ability to have learned together and expanded our view of the world together.

Speaker 1:

Exactly, and boy, I did learn a lot, and we sure did learn a lot. I learned an awful lot, and you know that's. That's what comes down right to what we said at the beginning, right, shannon's conversations.

Speaker 3:

Yep. So keep having the conversations. We'll keep having them too. We'll definitely keep having them too, and with any luck, we'll be back, and we will, of course, keep you all updated as to when that is on our socials. And in the meantime it's been well gosh. I guess it's been a pleasure. We got to end it with a pun. I mean, it had to be. It had to be.

Speaker 1:

And you know, and then maybe the myth we're putting to bed this week is the myth that we won't be coming back because we will.

Speaker 3:

We'll be back. We'll be back. So that's not another myth put to bed per se, but we'll say it anyway. That's another myth Put to bed. That is a wrap on Sex Ed Debunked. We'll be on our sabbatical, but if you have any questions, any comments, any myths you'd like to debunk or any conversations you'd like to start, we will continue to be available across all the socials at Sex Ed Debunked and available at sexeddebunkedgmailcom.

Speaker 1:

Awesome. Love you, bye. Love you guys.

Speaker 3:

Bye. Love you too, Shannon. See you tomorrow. Bye.

Speaker 1:

Thanks for tuning in for this week's episode of Sex Ed Debunked During the course of our podcast. We have limited time together, which means that, unfortunately, many identities, groups and movements may not be represented each week. The field of sexuality and gender orientations, identities and behaviors are changing, growing rapidly, and we remain committed to being as inclusive as possible.

Speaker 4:

Please remember that all of us, including us, are learning in this area and may occasionally slip up. We ask that we all continue to be kind to one another so that we can create a truly inclusive and accepting environment. As always, if you have any questions or comments, please feel free to reach out to us at Sex Ed Debunked on Instagram, facebook and Twitter.

Speaker 1:

Sex Ed Debunked is produced by Trailblaze Media in Providence, Rhode Island. Our sound producer is Ezra Winters, with production assistance from Shea Weintra.